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Ezra Tair
Murientor Tribe
Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2012.08.20 20:45:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:[ Amarr failed because its pvp'ers weren't really interested in faction war at the end of the day - just the (consequence-free) wardec.
As I'm new to EVE/FW I've not idea if it's so but most people have said FW was completely different prior to Inferno. So maybe it's not that people were only after a few wardec and were not really interested in FW so much as FW became something new and something they no longer had interest in.
Prior to Inferno, if you brought a fleet your opponents did not want to fight, they would avoid you. And you would be bored, or they would re-ship to counter. Then you would re-ship to counter. Then they would. If someone got confused about who had the upperhand, their would be a fight.
Now, if you brought a fleet your opponents did not want to fight, they would avoid you. But you can affect their ability to dock and earn some income for yourself. But you would still probably be bored. But eventually you would be either fiscally sound or able to dock in that system or deny them docing rights. So their was an upside. You could also affect this with only T1 cruisers and lower, requiring no BC or BS skills or ships.
This was why fweddit was so effective at turning system vulnerable. Most of you were equipped to enter into the very plexes most minmatar enjoyed fighting in. You could force them out, and you guys spread out instead of sitting in a single BC/BS gang with logi doing one large plex every 20 minutes.
Some folks 'grew up' decided t1 cruisers down was beneath them and do their best to force fights on their terms. Kudos to them, but its not going to win the occupancy war when small and medium plexes carry the same weight as a large and finish faster. |
Ezra Tair
Murientor Tribe
Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2012.08.20 20:52:00 -
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Almity wrote:If it were only that simple. Jade I challenge you to look at the Amarr/Minmatar map and tell me that it is remotely fair. Metro is almost impossible to break into without massive numbers of around the clock plexers. For the record I did push systems. My fleets did do as you suggested. But any gains made through hard fought pvp or mindless plexing boredom are so easily reversed.
If we have a strong four hours in our timezone and the euro time zone had their strong four hours that equals eight hours of plexing time. That leaves sixteen hours for the opposing side to deplex. Not to mention the time needed to deplex our home systems.
I have in the past commended the Minmatar on their foresight before inferno. Amarr just did not have the numbers to defend systems at the time. Kamela was being pushed so hard we had no choice but to throw everything we had at it to defend. After inferno Minmatar quickly reached a high level of warzone control drawing in many PVE players looking to make isk. The Amarr got combat pilots.
We may have been able to fight the Minmatar head to head again after many months of being outnumbered and out gunned but that in no way means system control. It is the plexers who hold the big stick when it comes to sov.
Just to give you an example. From the day inferno launched till Amarr cashed out at T4 I personally made 900k LP. If this number seems low its because i spend most of my eve time in or leading fleets. Many plexes I was in I never got to reap the rewards being at the warp in. The vast majority of my LP came from kills.
Now my Minmatar alt, at 30 hours training time has made 600k LP in three evenings plexing. Once Minmatar reach T5 I will have made more isk in that short time then all the time I spend fighting and dieing for Amarr. Now Jade, tell me how this system is working as intended. I would love o hear your thoughts on it.
Not to butt in, but I thought D plexing was boring and no one did it? Was it people trying to PvP you? Or do we have a dedicated staff of D plexers on call? Also I have made perhaps 1.3m LP in my entire time in FW :( Only perhaps 600k since Inferno. I must be slacking :(
(120k+200K+220K=640k LP sorry)
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Ezra Tair
Murientor Tribe
Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2012.08.20 20:54:00 -
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I wonder if things would be better if your current tier only affected your LP payout, so that keeping the level up was beneficial. Hmmm. Then LP store items never changed prices. Hmmmm that would affect some things Im sure. |
Ezra Tair
Murientor Tribe
Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2012.08.21 14:00:00 -
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Cearain wrote:
Defensive plex? In the 36 hourse after we flipped those 40 ssytems they were already on average over 50% contested. Defensive plexing against that army of alts is crazy.
I will ask you the same thing I asked vordak (and now Ezzra). What percent of plexes do you think were capped by t1 frigates?
I mean we can keep using relative terms all we want. I can say "too much" of it is farm alts. You can say things like "the real war was won with pvp."
For 5 hours after the systems flipped, myself, and at lest 10 others you were in the Aset pocket contesting the systems to pull Amarr out of T4 as fast as possible. My Navy Caracal had missiles. (and I also lost it to a Pirate Talos grrrrr).
I don't know how many were by t1 frigs. I'll give you 90%. You feel better? It does not change what happened. About the only argument I can see for why things are the way they are is that a majority of Amarr elements decided that they did not want to employ themselves in elements they deemed unworthy of their time and effort. Even after being made to understand how that would impact the parts they did care about.
Alts did not make choices for those people. Those people made their choices with alts. Beside, Saswong won the FW for us, remember that. *Saswong is overpowered and needs nerfed* |
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